i was a little too moderate on social issues. >> haven't changed on that front. >> i haven't changed at all. if anything, i've probably become more moderate. >> isn't that likely -- i mean, if the republican party stands a chance to win -- >> you want to know what i think? >> yeah. >> a republican candidate, not necessarily me, a fiscal conservative, call him a foreign policy conservative for shorthanded, but is a social, not even progressive but social moderate. open to choice, open to gay rights, gay marriage, maybe yes, maybe no, but certainly civil unions and protection against discrimination. i think a candidate like that is almost unbeatable. >> but the pacs don't embrace that. >> this is a chicken and egg thing. can't nominate a candidate like that. democratic party used to have this problem in the '80s, that's when the new democratic coalition emerged. >> basically they said to those on the fringe, form your own party if you want, do something else. >> give us a guy who can say we'll end welfare as we know it, an old-line liberal could not have nominated that. but bill clinto